Okay... Give us a LITTLE break here... Really. :/ - Jessie T. Wolf
Okay... Give us a LITTLE break here... Really. :/|
Okay. I need to get something off my chest. Not horribly upset about it or anything, but I think it’s something that needs to be pointed out, so here goes.
First off, I’ve got two panels arranged at Furry Weekend Atlanta. I’ve never done a panel at a convention before in my life, so I’ll be winging it. O.o Be nice to me, people. I’m not very good at public speaking. One of my panels is supposed to just be a general “Meet The Artist,” thing, and the other is a panel on Artists’ (and Commissioners!!) Etiquette. I’ve yet to actually write some notes down, but recently, some things have been popping up that I feel needs a bit of mentioning.
Now, I’m not trying to be rude, and I’m not pointing any fingers at anyone in specific, because this has happened to me far more than once. O.o It’s just something I felt the need to bring up, as an artist, and I don’t mean any offence to anyone.
Now, I know I’ve already talked about good communication between Artists and Commissioners. I’ve talked about how there are some Commissioners out there who like to take advantage of Artists, and the other way around. Commissioners who decide not to pay for artwork, as well as Artists who make their Commissioners wait a year or more for pre-paid work, while they still have time to get other things done on their own time. Those topics are all in later journal entries. Today, though, I’d like to bring up a matter in the first sketching process.
Now, I’m not perfect. I’m still a learning artist, and I recognize that I still need to work on my proportions, and certain aspects when it comes to specific pieces. This is why I’ll do a few rough sketches for my Commissioners to review. I’ll ask them if they would like any changes, and how I can make their piece better, before I begin the inking process. Normally I’ll edit a piece an average of two to three times. Maybe the person decides they’d like the position of a limb changed… sometimes they’d like a totally new pose. That’s fine. That’s why there are roughs. :-P And my first rough is ALWAYS very rough. Bad proportions, scribbly lines. The main idea in my first sketch is just to get the initial pose/idea down.
Then if they like it, I proceed with retracing it, and fixing proportions, adding any extra details, and cleaning the drawing up. I send them a scan, and ask again, if they’d like anything changed before I ink. I want to make sure that the person is satisfied with the piece, before it gets to the point where I can’t change it (and I HAVE had people find things wrong even AFTER it’s inked, even though I tell them to please make sure everything’s the way they want it BEFORE I start inking). Usually, I don’t get very many more edits. Sometimes I get a few small ones. Again, I don’t mind small edits here and there… but it’s when a person gets VERY, very specific about the TINIEST lines and details, that I start to get just a tad bit annoyed.
Now, here’s the thing about art, folks. Artwork is NOT perfect. Not ever. You can sit there, and fix your proportions as much as you’d like, but eventually, someone will always, ALWAYS find something wrong. Now, I know how the tiniest lines can change the entire appearance of something. When I go over my lines in ink, I try my very best to match them as closely as possible. But sometimes a line or two will change, EVER so slightly. Sometimes something will look a teeny bit bigger, or smaller, or more curvy, or more pointy. Whatever.
I’ve known a few people that were really bothered by “mistakes” that most other people would probably not even notice. And I know there are some people out there who are perfectionists. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to have a nicely made piece of art. Heck, I can be a bit of a perfectionist myself! It drives me nuts when I check and check for any little detailed error, and I think everything is fine… but then once it’s colored, I’ll ALWAYS find something wrong with my piece. So I know how it feels.
But please remember, folks, that when you commission an artist, you’re paying for a piece of work because you LIKE that particular artist’s style, AND imperfections. And if you’re going to ask for a million and a half changes, EXPECT to pay that artist just a tiny bit more for the extra time it takes for them to make your piece picture perfect. It’s certainly fine to want, and expect quality work for your money. But please remember to also be realistic in what you’re asking a person to draw for you.
Current Mood: exhausted
Perfection is mythical, like a slice of pizza or a national champion in American college football. There's always some slight imperfecton. However, it is precisely those small imperfections that make a piece so wonderful. They show the human touch on a piece.
Leave perfection to computers. I'll take an "imperfect" piece any day. :P
I don't have much to say, just lending my support. I think you rawk. One of these days I'm gonna commission you, and I promise to not give you a hard time (anymore than usual anyway)
|Date:||January 3rd, 2005 11:37 pm (UTC)|| |
*nods* I agree, when you commission an artist it's because you like the artists style. I think the people that nitpick every single detail have to realize that part of the fun of commissioning an artist, atleast for me, is just in giving them the idea, and letting them have artistic freedom. For me, I want to inspire and let the artist run with the idea. I know artists usually take a certain ammount of pride in their artwork, so I trust the artist's judgement in many cases.
*hugs* Goodluck with the panels and take care!
*fidgets and shifts eyes back and forth* I paid for my edits tho! O.O'
|Date:||January 4th, 2005 02:51 am (UTC)|| |
No Worries!! ^^
Heh, I had a feeling you might reply to this. ;) Actually, this post wasn't really inspired from your commission. :-P I honestly didn't mind the changes quite that much. After all, I WAS drawing a rather specific character, and you were a pleasure to work with. Very polite, and yes you DID pay for your edits. ;) And like I said before, if you'd ever like to do one again, I certainly wouldn't mind!
This entry is more of just a general matter I felt the need to point out to others who tend to be very, very specific. I've been getting a lot of commissions lately that have just been dragging along, because of how very precise people want their pieces to be. O.x I think it's just starting to take its toll on me a smidge. Folks need to learn how to loosen up a *little* bit!
|Date:||January 4th, 2005 04:10 am (UTC)|| |
By the way... that new icon is REALLY CUTE!! ^^
Thanks. ^^ Scar+Patches=cuteness. Always. =^_^=
I know too many artists who have screwed over friends of mine, or done things like," The first 25 people to reply to my LJ gets a free conbadge!" and never got it.
Don't they realize that being like that, or acting like a prick at a convention, is just ruining their reputation. But hey, we're just "fans" and they're the "OMG famous artist". Well who will they be when they no longer have fans?
|Date:||January 4th, 2005 03:04 am (UTC)|| |
Hon, I think your comment is running a bit off topic there… O.o What, are you trying to say that I’m some sort of prick, just because I ask that people loosen up a bit when asking for MASS, seriously specific, right down to the tiniest freaking detail edits? I’m only one wolfy, ya know! X.x I can’t do EVERYTHING perfectly! Besides, Khaki, you know I don’t pull stupid stunts like that. And when have I ever flaunted that I’m some, OMG “famous” Artist? And when have I ever been a total bitch to any of my “fans”? You tell me. *raises a brow* I would think you’d know me a bit better than that, hon. *smirks*
|Date:||January 4th, 2005 04:01 am (UTC)|| |
YEOUCH. Sorry if I came across as that. I wasn't aiming that at you at all. I understand your frustration with people, I was simply referring to your comment regarding people who take FOREVER to do commissions (in my case, they never did it, and I ordered it two years ago).
|Date:||January 4th, 2005 04:13 am (UTC)|| |
Oh, no worries, hon. ;) But next time, maybe try to be a bit more specific in what you mean, is all. :-P I didn't really figure you meant that *at* me, but it just seemed a bit off topic, that's all. *pets*
|Date:||January 4th, 2005 04:15 am (UTC)|| |
Yus I do sometimes JUMP into what I am saying without being more specific. *wags*
Reputation is a fine thing, but there's also a point where you have to put up a defense against being taken advantage of, having your good graces hounded and drawn upon constantly, above and beyond good social interaction.
If you've ever worked a service job, you know how horrible the 'customer is always right' motto is. It's just false. Shoppers have grown to abuse the policy by making unreasonable demands and berating workers of an establishment, who can't reply in an excusing or defensive fashion because they're wearing a name badge. It's a liscense to be abusive in the most spineless fashion possible: the institutionalized "correctness" of the "customer". Their ability to be unreasonably picky and over the top, like a child who's mother thinks they can do no wrong. This is how the merchant communities treat shoppers today.
Porting that same philosophy into all factors of life, especially a 'fandom' life, threatens to open the same dangers. The notion that if someone seeks to acquire a product, they have free reign to be unreasonable and behave in a manner that's rudely demanding and inappropriate, because an artist or a merchant will be afraid of losing reputation.
Jessie didn't fail to deliver something she promised. She didn't rip someone off, or take money and run. She simply illustrated a frustration with completing a project, due to the commissioner sweating over niggling details no matter how many times she redoes or corrects the images.
Oh yeah. Been there, done that. I used to work in a call centre for the biggest pizza place in Ontario. I got all sorts of assholes calling in, wanting to talk to customer service and DEMAND free pizzas because "they're the customer". I had one swearing at me, and I told him I would disconnect the call if he didn't stop swearing. He replied," Who the FUCK do you think you are, talking to me like that?" *click*
I admit I wouldn't want to deal with people like that at cons, but when it gets to the point where artists treat EVERYONE they meet like crap because of the "risk" they might be a creep, then maybe it's time to get your name changed and move to another country.
I'm referring to a certain artist here, not Jessie, and probably someone you don't know.
I know, I was there, gave her a good shoulderrub to try and divert her frustrations, and at some point I got worried she'd take my testicles to a cheese grater. :D Do not underestimate the power of da wuff. :) She's cute, she's small, she'll also rip you a new orifice if you piss her off.
Oh I don't doubt it. You know the most ferocious things often come in small packages like us. :)
|Date:||January 5th, 2005 07:40 pm (UTC)|| |
Unfortunately... Looking like I may not start taking any new ones until mid April, now. >.< I was actually wondering if you were still interesting in one, or not. O.o
Yeah... plus often commissioners often expect artists to read their mind and interpret the images that exist in another person's head. Not gonna happen.
It's very hard to try and do something exactly as what the commissioner wants. Ideally, what's supposed to happen is that the commissioner is to give an idea, or an anchor for artists to extrapolate and render their own interpretation of that idea onto paper.
Artists are NOT mental photocopiers. You want a photocopier, then GET one. Do not bug an artist because SLIGHT imperfections irk you.
|Date:||January 4th, 2005 10:05 am (UTC)|| |
*snugsawuff!* Hey, sometimes the individual traits of the artist or slight 'imperfections' really help lend life to a piece. After all, you were the one who absolutely nailed and locked my character for me on the first piece you did, and I absolutely love it.
One of the great things I love about having an artist draw something for me is giving them a very general idea of what to draw, giving them perhaps a couple reference sketches to base things off of, and seeing what they come up with. Very few times do I ever want something really specific - sometimes asking for something TOO specific crushes the artistic creativity. :>
*Chuckles* Is it a trend for my friendlists to be overworked, paranoid or plain annoyed at the world lately?XP.
C'Mon Jessie, take some time off while you can.I should've bothered you until you promised that for a new year's resolution!:-P
I totally agree with you when people shouldn't nitpick over every little "chafe in the armor" when it comes to a commision or any peice of art that is being done for him or her. Two things happen here; one, its not fun anymore and two, a relationship my be broken or damaged between two people.
Usually when I ask for a commission from an artist I tell them to just go with it, giving them the freedom and space so they can have fun with it *hence why I don't have any major detailed features for my fursona, 'cept my blue eyes*. Sure, I'll adress something that may not be to my liking but I won't be, and pardon the french, an @ss about it. I've run into people that are so @nal retentive that I want to pimp smack them. Grr.
Art is not perfect, its meant to be free flowing like water. That is something I learned in the course of a few months in my classes, and is a valuable lesson indeed^^.