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February 24th, 2005
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Doggies!!!
Well, I may very well have a third dog now. :} At least, I’m hoping so. We managed to find a home for Chance, but now we have two new doggies. I wrote a LJ entry a little while back, about the guy who had like 17 cats in our basement, plus his poor two dogs that he never took care of, who were at one point living in the guy’s van, in the middle of winter. O.o Well, we managed to get the dogs from him, telling him that we found a place that will board them. But he doesn’t know that he’s actually not getting them back. The bastard. >.< He doesn’t deserve to own ANY animals!! But anyway.

So now we have Skippy and Zena. Skippy’s an old (we’re guessing about ten years old) Australian shepherd. VERY good, calm dog. A little slow because of his age, but very loving. His only bad habit is barking in the middle of the night when all of the lights are out and people have gone to bed, because he hates being alone. So my mom’s started letting him sleep in her room with her. Skippy’s markings look like this dog’s:

Skippy Lookalike

Then Zena is a one-year-old Staffordshire Bull Terrier cross. I have no idea what her other breed could be, but she’s teeny, like a Bull Staffie, and she has that big Staffie head. But her fur is a little longer than a Staff’s coat, and she’s got a very tightly curled tail. She’s adorable though! Albeit very active. :-P She tires Dakota out! But she’s very well behaved, for the most part. Not too bad on a leash. She’s finally getting the hang of being housebroken, (because this guy just let them both go to the bathroom wherever they wanted, inside the house) and she’s great with the cats, and all of our dogs. She looks a lot like this dog here, except she’s got white on her paws:

Zena Lookalike

The funny thing is that Taj used to treat Zena like she was vicious, just because of her breed. And I’ve seen the guy yell at her, when she wasn’t even doing anything bad, or he’ll tell people to stay away from her because “Oh! She’s a vicious dog! Back away!” She’s so not! In fact, she’s one of the most loving, big sucky, gimme attention type dogs I’ve ever known!

And so yeah, we’re supposed to be trying to find new homes for these two now as well, but I REALLY am in no hurry to find a place for Zena. In fact I’m VERY tempted to just flat out keep her, I love this dog so much. And that’s saying a lot for me, since I’m normally not very partial to female dogs, and never really saw myself ever owning a Pit/Staff type breed. Although eventually, sometime before I die, I’d love to own a Rottie. ^^ But Zena will be kind of hard to place anyway, especially because of the ban they’re trying to put on Pit Bull breeds here in Toronto.

Actually, while I was looking for pics of Staffies online, I came across a site where people were petitioning against the banning of the breed in the state of Georgia. O.o I thought to myself, figures there’d be a ban in the same State I may one of these days actually end up moving to. *smirks* So I signed the petition too. I figured I might as well, because I do like the breed, even if they do have a bad reputation. I mean, I DO know that Pits were originally bred for fighting. But also, many of the people who get them, get them as guard dogs, and so they’re usually trained to be mean. Then again, I have known cases where the dog was just too wild. Sometimes it’s bad breeding. I mean, if anyone could meet Zena, they’d see that she’s the SWEETEST dog you could ever know. This dog is SO well behaved, for being only one year old! But I think it's dumb to ban an entire breed of dog, because no matter what you do, there will always be stupid people out there who will treat their dogs badly. And then the good dogs get punished as well. :/

If you ban Pits and other Bully Breeds, people will just start getting Rottweilers, and Dobies, and Boxers, etc. They should honestly treat dog attacks – from ANY breed – on individual terms, and then deal with the owners of the crazy dogs. Punish them, or take action accordingly. But do NOT ban the ENTIRE breed. That's just stupid, and won’t solve a damn thing. >.< The only way to deal with it, is to punish/fine/arrest/ban the PEOPLE who are responsible for the animals, or deal with each individual animal on a case to case basis. And for anyone who was interested in reading or signing the petition, the links is here.

And for a bit of fun, the website includes this little test: See if you can spot the true American Pit Bull Terrier! I KNOW my dog breeds, and even this stumped me. O.o

Anywho, that’s enough from me tonight. :) *loves her puppies!*

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From:cjthomas
Date:February 28th, 2005 12:20 am (UTC)
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There were a number of high-profile dog attacks in the news over the past year, so there's been pressure on the government to do something about it. Banning the dogs is easier than successfully passing laws to make owners liable for their behavior, and gets much the same political benefit from the masses, so it's what's being done.

This bill will almost certainly have passed in the Ontario legislature. About the only thing that could have stopped it, or that stands a chance of getting it repealed, is a truly massive letter-writing campaign (one hand-written letter is weighed as representing roughly 10,000 votes, apparently). The problem is you'll have people writing in on both sides of the issue, as I'm sure we both know people who think pit bulls are intrinsically dangerous dogs, and some of them will feel strongly enough to write about it.
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From:wlfdog
Date:February 28th, 2005 02:16 am (UTC)
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But the fact still remains that banning the Bully type breeds is not going to stop dog attacks. People will just get substitute dogs. Rotties, Dobies, Akitas, Chows, German Shepherds, Mastiffs. And still, even if Ontario is successful in banning Pits and their cousins, there will always be backyard breeders, who inbreed their dogs, and that will make them even more crazy and prone to aggressive behavior, than if you bought a Pit Bull from a reputable breeder.
From:cjthomas
Date:March 1st, 2005 07:06 am (UTC)
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But the fact still remains that banning the Bully type breeds is not going to stop dog attacks. People will just get substitute dogs.

I realize that, and said as much in my original post: The purpose of this is not to stop dog attacks, or to punish the people who were irresponsible. The purpose of this is to do the option that gets the most political bang for the buck among the voters who are concerned about dog attacks. Banning pit bulls is easy, has enough support to pass, and presents the impression of doing something about the problem, and that's all that matters politically. That's why this is being done. The only way to stop it is to make it more expensive politically to do this than to attempt a more reasonable solution (or than to do nothing).

A very large amount of politics revolves around this principle (that appearance is vastly more important than effectiveness).
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From:kigeni
Date:February 24th, 2005 06:56 am (UTC)
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So, that makes one dog and HOW many cats?
~Kigs
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From:formynder
Date:February 24th, 2005 07:34 am (UTC)
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"ahh, dogs: inbread to perfection". i picked that up somewhere and thought that was cool.

thinking of moveing to Georgia sometime? glad to hear that.
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From:wlfdog
Date:February 24th, 2005 08:18 am (UTC)
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Maybe. :} Like, a good few years down the road. Who knows. We'll see which direction my life takes me. :)
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From:fiskblack
Date:February 24th, 2005 08:29 am (UTC)
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That's one floofy dog!

As for pitts, I've not heard of a ban going on here in Georgia, but I do hear of the occassional attacks. Pitts are generally regarded as the most viscious, not just due to how fierce and wild they may be prone to being, but their physical capabilities. I'm not a dog expert, but I can go over some of the things that I've heard.

Many dog attacks from people who say their animals are "sweet" and nice, come as surprises to their owners, who usually don't know the full background of their adopted dog. The physical capabilities of a pitt exceed that of a rottweiler, german shepard, or other common "defense" dog, mainly in the clamping pressure they're able to exert by their jaws due to it's unique construction (something they measure in pressure pounds or something). A normal attack dog may seriously hurt a child that gets too close, or spooks it, or otherwise grab a man's arm and shake him pretty good, but a pitt's jaws cause far more deep tissue damage and bone damage, and they've been known to single handedly kill full grown, healthy adults, and kill them in good time.

If I owned any large dogs in the future, I'd want to fence up the back yard for them. It's just a lot safer than the possibility of them getting out and doing whatever in environments they're not familiar with. I wouldn't be completely adverse to some sort of pre-screening of certain physically dangerous animals for their backgrounds, as well as adoption criteria that are more stringent for potential owners, to prevent dogs from being raised irresponsibly, or to spot dogs with potentially dangerous upbringing.

Not that I have to worry about Snoopy hurting anybody! The little bastard misses you!

Jay Naylor
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From:iguanaartgirl
Date:February 24th, 2005 06:39 pm (UTC)
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A pittbull CAN break a femur with one bite. Their jaws are powerful. Unfortunatly, this attracts owners who want the dog for it's strength and fighting potential, which leads to a higher precentage of nasty pitts, and thus the bad reputation for attacks.

If they're raised and bred well, they can be absolutely wonderful dogs. Believe it or not, a well-raised pitbull is very good around small children. Because they were historically bred for fighting, they have a tremendous threshhold for pain. The kid can poke and pull on the dog all it wants, and the dog won't care. Any nasty temperament a dog has is from bad breeding or from an owner who teaches it to be basty.
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From:fiskblack
Date:February 24th, 2005 06:42 pm (UTC)
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Yar. In England I believe they're referred to as "nanny dogs" cause of their favorable temperment toward children. Which, would be nice if I were a child! :)

Jay Naylor
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From:beoweasel
Date:February 24th, 2005 02:56 pm (UTC)
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There have been several dog attacks in my state (in South Carolina) and many of them are incredibly brutal. One man (he was in his 30's) had been mauled to death by two pit bulls, while he was walking down the street (he had over 200 bite wounds and died from blood loss) supposedly, his neighbor had a grudge against him and when he saw the guy, loosed the animals on the poor bastard (he claims that they escaped his grasp).

the animals were destroyed (because they were dangerous) and the man is in jail for manslaughter.

Dog fighting is also serious problem here in SC, although its illegal, people still practice it (I have no idea why, its worse than cock-fighting...I mean with roosters, at least you don't have to train them to fight, its natural for them...but dogs have to be beaten and abused into a viscious nature to get them to fight one another on sight) but because many of these folks don't really care for the dogs, they escape and that can lead to a whole host of serious problems.

My home county, Spartanburg, has a leash law, but apparently nobody obeys it. I know some folks think keeping an animal on a leash is "cruel" but its necessary, I can't tell you how many times I've seen the mangled corpse of a dog on the side of the road, because it tried to walk across a busy street. Although no dogs have been run over in my neighborhood, they wander everywhere and walking to a friend's house can be somewhat dangerous because you have several dogs snapping at your heels (I have scars from where dogs have bitten me, of course, the owners don't believe me or think its my fault)

erf, sorry to go off on a tangent
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From:wlfdog
Date:February 24th, 2005 08:47 pm (UTC)
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Oh, by all means, go off on a tangent! ;) And definitely, I never said that Pit Bull breeds don't have the potential and ability to be quite nasty, and do a lot of damage. But then again... ANY dog can. Maybe other dogs can't do QUITE the same amount of damage, but EVERY breed has the potential to do so.

Look at my German/Dutch Shepherd cross, Barkley, for instance. He's a BIG dog, mean sounding, and he's got some powerful jaws on him. Most people are afraid of him, even just to look at. But people that know him, also know that he's a big suck, who's afraid of his own shadow! But still, he was adopted from a shelter, and he was an abused dog. He was afraid of men for the longest time, though over the years he's become much better. But still, even though he may be harmless, that doesn't mean that he doesn't have the ability to do damage, if he wanted to.

No matter how sweet and well behaved the dog, you should never trust an animal 100%. Zena's just a tiny thing, maybe 50-60lbs. I'm sure she could take a good chunk out of someone, given the chance. But if that ever did happen, it would be dealt with however it needed to be dealt with. My main point of this LJ post is simply to say that banning a BREED won't do anything, because then people will just start using substitute dogs. Then what's next? Ban the Rotties? And the Dobies? What about Mastiffs? These are all big, powerful dogs that could do damage as well. I've worked with all kinds of dog breeds, for many years, and I can tell you some breeds that can be just as aggressive. Chows for instance, can be MEAN sons of bitches. O.o Or even Dalmatians, Ridgebacks, Huskies can be quite territorial and aggressive as well. Even a lot of little dogs can be QUITE nasty.

No, dog attacks need to be dealt with on a case to case basis, and the owners properly fined. If the dog is so dangerous that it needs to be put down, then that's the way it has to be. But banning an entire breed will not stop dog bites and vicious attacks, anywhere.
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From:beoweasel
Date:February 25th, 2005 08:01 pm (UTC)
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What about Chihuahuas? I doubt they're all that dangerous, after all the Aztecs bred them as a food source...

Yeah, Mastiffs can very dangerous, not too long ago a 2 year-old girl had her throat torn out by a mastiff when she wandered into the dog owner's yard. While this was certianly a tradegy, there was no talk of banning the mastiff breed or anything of that nature, instead the city council wanted tough (or tougher) leash laws and penalties on dog owners who break said law (only fines). However this was heavily opposed by many owners who claimed that the animals were their property and no one tell them what to do.

The City Council later tried to instate a special pet tax, where if you owned a dog or cat and didn't have it spade or neutured you would have to pay a 10 dollar tax every year. This too didn't pass because Animal owners felt that because it was their animals, the state shouldn't tell them what to do...never mind the immense population of homeless animals so many in fact, that the animal shelters can't keep up, they want to build more animal shelters, but thanks to huge tax cuts, they have no budget to build anything, and even been forced to lay off many animal control personnel
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From:wlfdog
Date:February 26th, 2005 12:32 am (UTC)
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"However this was heavily opposed by many owners who claimed that the animals were their property and no one tell them what to do."

That's just beyond stupid. O.o If you own any animal, it's your duty to be RESPONSIBLE with caring for that animal, and that means proper leash laws to keep the animal AND other people safe. If people want their dog to be off leash, they should go to a leashless dog park.
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From:ion_seal
Date:February 24th, 2005 04:41 pm (UTC)
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Sean Kennedy did a rant on this particular subject.
You can find it at the end of this video file (219MB) http://www.archive.org/download/patsks01e10/patsks01e10.avi?PHPSESSID=492a62f70fbea88dc58d4dc9261ca62b
Or for your convenience, I cut the audio part out, here: http://zerda.vovoid.com/SK-Dog-Rant.ogg
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From:ion_seal
Date:February 25th, 2005 12:07 am (UTC)
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From:wlfdog
Date:February 26th, 2005 12:32 am (UTC)
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Sweet. :-D
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From:iguanaartgirl
Date:February 24th, 2005 06:31 pm (UTC)
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my boyfriend Bob whom you met at FWA has a pitbull named Toby. Well, more his brother's dog. Anyway, he is the sweetest, biggest dope of a dog you'll ever meet. Toby honestly thinks he's a lap dog - being that he's over 80lbs now, that's a bit of a problem sometimes. Other than that though (and the fact that he used to eat furniture), he's a wonderful dog.

It's always a shock to me to see how terrified some people are of him; they had some guys over their apartment a while back to do some work, and they refused to even be in the same room as Toby. It's 100% reputation, which is kind of a shame... although, as Bob pointed out, they NEVER have to worry about anyone in the neighborhood bothering them, because they all are aware - and afraid - of Toby.
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From:fiskblack
Date:February 24th, 2005 06:50 pm (UTC)
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I think it's only prudent to not trust a pitt, or just about any large dog, that you don't know the background of. Many fatal maulings you hear about in the news are followed by a litany of defensive statements from their owners about how nice their dog is to them.

A dog may be sweet and cutsie and harmless, but they don't know that.

Jay Naylor
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From:iguanaartgirl
Date:February 24th, 2005 08:13 pm (UTC)
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That goes for ANY dog, though. Even toy poodles will attack and bite you if they're nasty (even if they can't necessarily kill you....)
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From:ion_seal
Date:February 24th, 2005 09:37 pm (UTC)
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It's only a matter of time.
Let them keep at it for a few hours... :D
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From:wlfdog
Date:February 24th, 2005 08:53 pm (UTC)
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Welcome to my LJ! Was nice to meet you at FWA. :)

And I totally agree with you. My Shepherd is a big dumb sucky boy, but he's large and loud, so people are naturally afraid of him. Zena's a bit of a jumper, she likes to hug, but I'm trying to teach her not to jump up. She's only a little thing, but still, jumping up on people is not good manners!

She doesn't look like she could do much damage because of her size, but she's got the big Staffie head, and jaws to match. :-P She gets defensive with toys around my other two boys, and will start growling, but one you say "Zena, that's enough," she'll look at you and wag her little curly tail, and she's all good again.

I love this dog! Making me give her up will be a challenge for my mom. ;)
From:notantidog
Date:February 25th, 2005 01:52 pm (UTC)
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From:wlfdog
Date:February 26th, 2005 12:43 am (UTC)
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Again, here’s an animal that in the end needs to be put down because of PEOPLE'S mistakes. I understand the reasons why, because once a dog bites, you can't be sure that it won't do it again. But still, it's a shame, since the owner of the pit dog WAS a responsible owner, and kept her animal on a leash. If the granny had kept better control of her little dog, AND if both she and her grandson hadn't rushed over to an already freaked out pit bull, their peke would still be alive, and they wouldn't have been bitten.

I've heard of pits that have always been friendly, until one day they snap and turn on someone, if not their own owners. I'm certainly not denying that these things ever happen, or that it's not ever the fault of the dog. If Zena ever seriously hurt a person or another animal, I'd do what needed to be done, even if that meant putting her down.

But again, the main point of my original post is NOT that pits aren't dangerous. They certainly can be! They can cause QUITE a bit of damage! My point is simply that BANNING the breed entirely won't solve the problem of dog attacks and bites. Because once pit bull breeds are gone, people will just start using other aggressive breeds as a substitute.
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From:geekbear74
Date:February 25th, 2005 04:54 pm (UTC)
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Dang it :-p

I wish you were close then I would kidnap one of your dogs to take home with me :hugs tight:.
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From:wlfdog
Date:February 26th, 2005 12:46 am (UTC)
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*hugshugs!* ^^
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